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I don't see how Apple is losing money when we get firmwares for free.
In comparison to paying for it, they will be losing money.
I don't see how Apple is losing money when we get firmwares for free.
There are no rules on when and how you must respect a developer. There are morals, and if you wish to follow them then go ahead. Morally I think that stealing from Apple is justified on this one occasion considering they are a large multi-national corporation that can most definitely afford to lose money by me not paying for their new firmware update.
Personally, I think it's totally out of order to make people pay for a firmware update for a device they have spent hundreds of pounds on buying. Pathetic even. I have absolutely no problem stealing from Apple and I'm not ashamed to say it.
So its okay to pirate Apple made programs? Like Remote?
If you agree with that, then why dont we all go and pirate Sony made PSP games?
If people are going to respect developers and buy their products, they need to do it across the border. Not just when they want to do it.
I don't see how Apple is losing money when we get firmwares for free.
Fair enough. But that doesn't mean stealing money from the rich guy is morally correct. You think its okay to steal from rich people, but not from the poor? Their both wrong. So lets either do them, or not.Big companies can take loses. Independent developers can't. It's like taking away $100 away from a millionaire. He wouldn't give a shit. If you take $100 from some hobo on the street, he'll go ape shit on you.
Just this one time? You do realise that Apple make iTouch owners pay for every reasonably big update? From what i know, theres been two updates up untill not that have cost. So it isn't on a single occasion, the average iTouch owner has done it already more then once.Morally I think that stealing from Apple is justified on this one occasion considering they are a large multi-national corporation that can most definitely afford to lose money by me not paying for their new firmware update.
I do too. But i'm sure they've done it to show the difference between the iPhone and the iTouch. In apples eyes, the iPhone is the premium device. Its why a AC Charger comes with an iPhone and not with a iTouch. They're trying to make a superficial pedestel for the iPhone and i dont blame them. They get a hell of a lot more money for it.Personally, I think it's totally out of order to make people pay for a firmware update for a device they have spent hundreds of pounds on buying. Pathetic even. I have absolutely no problem stealing from Apple and I'm not ashamed to say it.
Fair enough. But that doesn't mean stealing money from the rich guy is morally correct. You think its okay to steal from rich people, but not from the poor? Their both wrong. So lets either do them, or not.
Just this one time? You do realise that Apple make iTouch owners pay for every reasonably big update? From what i know, theres been two updates up untill not that have cost. So it isn't on a single occasion, the average iTouch owner has done it already more then once.
I do too. But i'm sure they've done it to show the difference between the iPhone and the iTouch. In apples eyes, the iPhone is the premium device. Its why a AC Charger comes with an iPhone and not with a iTouch. They're trying to make a superficial pedestel for the iPhone and i dont blame them. They get a hell of a lot more money for it.
I'd just like to clarify. I'm not saying that pricing firmware updates is correct. All i'm trying to say is, dont pirate from Apple, then think its not okay to pirate from any other company, whatever its size.
I mean one time as in Apple Firmware Updates in general, not specifically the 3.0 Apple Firmware Update.Just this one time? You do realise that Apple make iTouch owners pay for every reasonably big update? From what i know, theres been two updates up untill not that have cost. So it isn't on a single occasion, the average iTouch owner has done it already more then once.
So the user has to pay extra for the difference they chose between two devices? Uh, that's bullshit to be honest.I do too. But i'm sure they've done it to show the difference between the iPhone and the iTouch. In apples eyes, the iPhone is the premium device. Its why a AC Charger comes with an iPhone and not with a iTouch. They're trying to make a superficial pedestel for the iPhone and i dont blame them. They get a hell of a lot more money for it.
I do. Very much so. The difference between me buying a firmware or pirating it is so minuscule in terms of how much Apple earn in comparison to all of the purchases of that firmware that I couldn't give a shit. The differences in consumer purchases of a firmware sold by Apple and a game sold in the App Store is gigantic. An average App Store App is about $0.99... the Apple Firmware Update is $10. It doesn't take a mathematician to work out that Apple earns ten times (more actually, seeing as the developer gets 70% of all purchases for their App) the amount a developer does for every firmware sold versus an App sold at $0.99.I'd just like to clarify. I'm not saying that pricing firmware updates is correct. All i'm trying to say is, dont pirate from Apple, then think its not okay to pirate from any other company, whatever its size.
Fair enough. But that doesn't mean stealing money from the rich guy is morally correct. You think its okay to steal from rich people, but not from the poor? Their both wrong. So lets either do them, or not.
Just this one time? You do realise that Apple make iTouch owners pay for every reasonably big update? From what i know, theres been two updates up untill not that have cost. So it isn't on a single occasion, the average iTouch owner has done it already more then once.
I do too. But i'm sure they've done it to show the difference between the iPhone and the iTouch. In apples eyes, the iPhone is the premium device. Its why a AC Charger comes with an iPhone and not with a iTouch. They're trying to make a superficial pedestel for the iPhone and i dont blame them. They get a hell of a lot more money for it.
I'd just like to clarify. I'm not saying that pricing firmware updates is correct. All i'm trying to say is, dont pirate from Apple, then think its not okay to pirate from any other company, whatever its size.
Do you guys download cracked apps from the App Store? What about some of these developers who create worthwhile stuff and people don't pay for it? If you're a developer, then you know that a good application takes much time to build. Wouldn't you want to be payed for this? Some developers aren't *poor* at its worst sense, but there are developers who don't have much money either and they've decided to devote themselves to writing some of these apps. You're cheating them.
I pirate applications from the App Store. Even though theirs loads of great applications, i'm yet to find one thats actually worth money. I think the closest anyone has come is Rolando and linerider guys.Do you guys download cracked apps from the App Store? What about some of these developers who create worthwhile stuff and people don't pay for it? If you're a developer, then you know that a good application takes much time to build. Wouldn't you want to be payed for this? Some developers aren't *poor* at its worst sense, but there are developers who don't have much money either and they've decided to devote themselves to writing some of these apps. You're cheating them.
Anyways, I don't see how Apple LOSES money opposed to not gain.
Do you guys download cracked apps from the App Store? What about some of these developers who create worthwhile stuff and people don't pay for it? If you're a developer, then you know that a good application takes much time to build. Wouldn't you want to be payed for this? Some developers aren't *poor* at its worst sense, but there are developers who don't have much money either and they've decided to devote themselves to writing some of these apps. You're cheating them.
Who wouldn't be pissed off if somebody stole something from you? Nevertheless, the world isn't fair and some people don't give a shit about others. That's the reality of it.
If you think piracy on the iPhone is bad (because it clearly is not, there's still a ton of legitimate buyers), think of what the PSP studios have to put up with. It's getting to the point where almost 50% of PSP users have CFW (not entirely true, but based on a log on D_A's blog, over 50% of users who visited the PSN store had custom firmware).
False.Vee said:PSP isnt even bad, look at PC. Hardly anyone wants to develop for it now because its so easy to pirate on.
Those figures can't be right. 50%? From what i knew, the pirating community on the PSP comes up to less then 20%.
PSP isnt even bad, look at PC. Hardly anyone wants to develop for it now because its so easy to pirate on.
Ontopic: update looks horrible. Wow, we get copy-and-paste, but now we're being microtransacted. I dislike microtransaction. DLC should be free, charge full price for apps, end of. It pisses me off enough on consoles that we aren't getting full games because of the publishers' obsession with microtransaction.
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that its the only reasons that developers are annoyed, its one of the reasons. Rampant piracy and leaking of games has just spelt dissapointment for developers.False.
The PC doesn't have a market for it. Due to constant changes in the hardware market, non-hardcore gamers are discouraged from building their systems. This decreases the size of the market and means that it isn't possible to be profitable on PC.
It's from Dark Alex's blog...
Nike+iPod used the bluetooth chip, and there's a paid Jailbreak app called iBluetooth that seems to do more than Apple's going to allow you to do with it. Is the bt chip 2g only?
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying that its the only reasons that developers are annoyed, its one of the reasons. Rampant piracy and leaking of games has just spelt dissapointment for developers.
Woah, then i'm extremley suprised. 50%? Jesus.