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God Talk
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My pastor said that he thinks that God has a plan for those who follow Islam, even though they do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God, but as a prophet.Ciaran said:
As I said before, you musn't always take the bible literally. There was definitely power behind those words, and there could be more to it than that. When the bible refers to the "days" of creation, those days could be a vast amount of years. Days wouldn't be measured in the kind of days we use.eldiablov said:
Teowulf
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Matt said:
But the bible says this, which includes Muslims in that category:
Oh, and to whoever was talking about it earlier: the bible pretty much says that it's God's fault that people take the wrong religion, but He'll punish them anyways:
Teowulf
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I am aware. So pretty much any Muslim city will be destroyed by the wrath of God. So if your pastor says that "God has a plan for those who follow Islam," his plan is to destroy their cities, even more so than Sodom and Gomorrah?Matt said:
So if someone came to inquire about Mohammad, and Mohammad spoke, the Lord would stretch out his hand against Mohammad and those of the Muslim faith.
Jesus is saying this to the Twelve Apostles when He sends them out. Cities that didn't recieve them nor hear their words would be destroyed. You act as if this applies today, but the Twelve Apostles do not exist.Teowulf said:
Teowulf said:
Please make this clear to me as why you are trying to turn these verses against the Muslims. Islams did not exist at the time the verses refer to.
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Yes, but the bible is not meant to be taken literally, as you already stated. That whole part can easily be interpreted as referring to cities that do not accept Christianity.Matt said:
Yes, but the bible still applies today- as you say. If other versus about random words of advice and laws still apply today, those versus apply contextually today.Matt said:
It's much like the constitution, in that its writings can be interpreted in many ways. The constitution was written in such away that requires very little amending, and so it doesn't really matter if the internet is invented, or other things that change the face of American society. The bible is just like that. If you couldn't apply the lessons of it to today, it would be irrelevant and outdated.
Zx30
Beto
I was raised to be religious, but I'm not. I just think it is too confusing. I've been told that people,way back in the f'ing day, wrote the bible. There are many stories put together in the bible. Well who wrote them? How do you know? Yes you'll hear names like John and all that stuff. But how do you know someone named John wrote it? No one knows, it's just blind faith people are believing in. I just wish there was more proof.
That is what Jesus told the Twelve Apostles when he sent them out to spread the word of God. I suppose it could also be interpreted that God will destroy cities that don't accept God when the Apocalypse comes.Teowulf said:
Yes, the bible still applies today, but that verse refers to a time when God was angry with the people because they were setting up idols for themselves to worship instead of God, such as a golden cow they decided to worship. We are meant to learn from this and not to make these mistakes again. That is how it applies today.Teowulf said:
so matt...
god lets murderers, brutal people who belive in him if they ask for forgivness pass up to heaven. and nice, normal people who struggles for survival and has never hurt a fly and lost all fate in god or never thought he existed, burn in hell.
if thats true god is one sadistic evil force and dont care a crap about his own creation. how can you love god if you dont see his disgusting flaws??!!
god lets murderers, brutal people who belive in him if they ask for forgivness pass up to heaven. and nice, normal people who struggles for survival and has never hurt a fly and lost all fate in god or never thought he existed, burn in hell.
if thats true god is one sadistic evil force and dont care a crap about his own creation. how can you love god if you dont see his disgusting flaws??!!
Moose
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This isn't 'twisting words'. It is simply how one interprets the Bible. Whether or not their view on certain subjects within the Bible agrees with yours, is, well, irrelevant.
If I said that I was Christian and thought that all of Islam should be burned to the ground because it doesn't follow my beliefs, and I believed this because it is stated in the Bible, and this is how I interpret it, who are you to say otherwise? I am still Christian, whether you say so or not, and that is what I believe, because that is what is stated in the Bible.
Sorry to say it, but the Bible is just words. They may be 'holy', but they are words none-the-less.
Also... if God has commanded Christians to do the above, and I believe in it, does that mean I am sentenced to eternal damnation for carrying out orders written by God, or even believing in them? You see... there is absolutely no guidance in how the Bible should be interpreted, if at all.
If I said that I was Christian and thought that all of Islam should be burned to the ground because it doesn't follow my beliefs, and I believed this because it is stated in the Bible, and this is how I interpret it, who are you to say otherwise? I am still Christian, whether you say so or not, and that is what I believe, because that is what is stated in the Bible.
Sorry to say it, but the Bible is just words. They may be 'holy', but they are words none-the-less.
Also... if God has commanded Christians to do the above, and I believe in it, does that mean I am sentenced to eternal damnation for carrying out orders written by God, or even believing in them? You see... there is absolutely no guidance in how the Bible should be interpreted, if at all.