Joorkan
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Yes, that would be great. I understand that cap was made for some achivements-spamming games, but Wow surely isnt one of them so higher cap would be fair and more balanced.
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Introducing points system (EXP) and cross platform leaderboards
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I made some tweaks to the distribution curve, looks like it has improved situations where too much EXP was allocated to the rarest achievement with Offroad Legends 2 for example. Now, the achievements with 3% rarity are giving around 500 EXP currently.Appreciate the explanation.
Maybe a tweak to the general formula might be worth considering, at least. (Per-game is obviously not realistic.)
Currently a 100%-rarity trophy in a trophy-booster game like Space Kabaam is worth about the same as a 4%-rarity achievement in Offroad Legends.
Space Kabaam = 84 EXP for 12/12 trophies (rarest 93%)
Offroad Legends = 24 EXP for 11/19 achievements (rarest 3%)
Does not compute.
I just pushed this change so not all EXP values have updated yet, they will sometime tomorrow.
EXP cap has been raised for WoW and StarCraft II as well (up to 1M EXP total).
SilentJay76
Member
Much appreciated!
There was some weird stuff going on yesterday, with the total EXP per game not matching the achievement EXP. But looks like it's sorted itself out over night.
Joorkan
New Member
After changing WoW cap to almost half of million, it looks like my points didnt change at all. Im not sure how many points I had before cap changing, but now I have 2847 exp points from 1363 achievements. Most of them are still worth 1-2 exp. Having 20% of achievements from 0,5 kk cap should be around 100 000 exp points. I know that it doesnt look like exactly that way, by 2847 points look extremally too low.
There have been a few more updates.
- Raised the multiplier to 3000, up from 1000. This will make each game's total EXP worth 3x as much. It'll help devalue spam games more as they only are worth the base EXP (50) and won't benefit from the increase.
- This should also help with the points per achievement being quite low for games with a large amount of achievements (200+).
- EXP cap of 50K per game has been lifted. Not too many will go beyond this still though.
These changes will go in effect sometime tomorrow when the leaderboards update.
- Raised the multiplier to 3000, up from 1000. This will make each game's total EXP worth 3x as much. It'll help devalue spam games more as they only are worth the base EXP (50) and won't benefit from the increase.
- This should also help with the points per achievement being quite low for games with a large amount of achievements (200+).
- EXP cap of 50K per game has been lifted. Not too many will go beyond this still though.
These changes will go in effect sometime tomorrow when the leaderboards update.
All platforms and games yes. Steam hasn't updated yet but should a few hours from now.
tonyb681
New Member
I’m sorry if this has been answered, but my Exophase EXP is not showing on my gamercard. I’m not sure if there is a setting I’ve missed, or if there is a minimal threshold that needs to met first.
**EDIT: This seems to be resolved. I wonder if it’s because I hadn’t earned any new trophies/achievements since registering. Once I earned some Steam achievements it populated.
**EDIT: This seems to be resolved. I wonder if it’s because I hadn’t earned any new trophies/achievements since registering. Once I earned some Steam achievements it populated.
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SilentJay76
Member
I have 30 completed games with less than 50 EXP. Just wondering if I'm misunderstanding the above statement, which sounds like every game should have a minimum of 50?
Also curious how spam games are actually determined. While I have completed a few of those, I'm not sure The Artful Escape or The Walking Dead: Michonne are quite the same as the 5 minute "press X for trophy" games. Are spam games flagged manually? Or is it based on a certain unlock percentage?
Looking at The Artful Escape, I'm guessing it's the latter? Values range from 51 EXP (PS = 83% completion) to 1905 EXP (Steam = 38% completion.)
The individual EXP values are rounded to whole numbers so that makes them worth a bit less than 50. If the game has a lot of achievements/trophies, the rounding strategy could have more an impact - not sure if we should include the decimal values. I kind of like just seeing whole numbers though.
No, spam games are not flagged manually. The total points for a game are calculated from its rarest achievement, but there is a cut off period - anything above 80% will only get the base EXP. Could maybe remove that, I'm not exactly sure why I added that to be honest. That would make The Artful Escape worth more although still a lot less than its Steam counterpart as 38% completion is a big difference.
I don't think it impacts many games that aren't spam, since the typical game has at least one achievement with < 80% unlock rate. Maybe I added it since when spam games are newer, the unlock rates range from like 80-90% and it takes some time for them to get to close to 100% as more people play them.
It takes around 24 hours after registration for the total EXP values to show, since the leaderboards are updated once per day.
SilentJay76
Member
There's a few other games in my history that I wouldn't consider spam. Some "proper" games might take 5+ hours to complete, but have very easy, story-related achievements.
Other games take 2 minutes of pressing a button repeatedly.
It's unfortunate if they end up with the same EXP. But I understand that the algorithm can't necessarily tell the difference. Not a big deal. Just wondering how these things work.
