[Dragoneon]

Ha. Good luck with that. I don't think anyone bought it just to spread it on the net (unless you're known, and/or helped the scene in the past and present)

I know you your from pspis*.com
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[Bubbletune]

They most likely figured out how to completely dump the pre-IPL through hardware means, which after further research allowed them to forge Sony's encryption signature. You may remember "brokencodes" who put a great deal of research into this.

There is nothing of such a kind in the pre-IPL though, the pre-IPL is simply a loader that uses the KIRK hardware engine to decrypt the IPL. Reason people are somehow obsessed with getting the pre-IPL is because in the PSP-1000/PSP-2000, there was an exploit in there, which made it possible to forge IPL blocks, but they weren't really encrypted. If they fixed it properly, a pre-IPL dump will contribute nothing whatsoever, apart from confirming it's actually fixed. What Datel pulled off is the dumping of the KIRK hardware engine by hardware means, which is a lot more impressive than the pre-IPL. I suppose, now that they have KIRK, they can go as far as encrypting IPL blocks for real, which would work in the new models.

 

[nielkie]

@Bubbletune

How would having reversed KIRK lead to being able to sign executables? I was under the impression the PSP used some sort of private/public key system.

 

[Bubbletune]

@Bubbletune

How would having reversed KIRK lead to being able to sign executables? I was under the impression the PSP used some sort of private/public key system.

KIRK has all keys used for decryption, so once you get your hands on that it shouldn't be hard to make it encrypt instead. The entire security model of the PSP relied on the fact that KIRK couldn't be dumped. At least, that's the idea.

 

[WalangAlam]

That page is from YAPSPD by Groepaz here as was mentioned in above post.

That pic also shows a Tab browsing Maxconsole website if you look closely.

And of course they used the scene's information, they even used the pspsdk and toolchain (but still don't credit them).

oh how lame:argh: they should have used at least another "kirk decryptor engine" web page. are they taunting the psp scene? now they should pay back the psp scene by signing our homebrews wow talking about stealing of code big time, shameless. it put to shame all the psp scene dramas combined. their "cryptographics engineers" are lame then

 

[Cloudy]

That is what I mean. They could not get the old one to work even tho they had every thing they needed and like you said (and I know because I own one) it was not tied to any PSP either.. So if you can not get some thing to work that was easier to do, then the new one is going to be even hard to do or to a point not worth the time..

Personally, Managed to extract the ipl and install it to another memory stick. Wasn't difficult at all, however the people with the knowledge to do this didn't see the point. Why go to OFW when there's cheat engines in the homebrew scene?

 

[eldiablov]

oh how lame:argh: they should have used at least another "kirk decryptor engine" web page. are they taunting the psp scene? now they should pay back the psp scene by signing our homebrews wow talking about stealing of code big time, shameless. it put to shame all the psp scene dramas combined. their "cryptographics engineers" are lame then

They may have used the scenes tools but dont be mistaken in thinking what they did was easy :|

 

[MenaceInc]

Datel Advanced Gaming Technology
wow watch the video here. they all have the cutting edge state of the art equipments there as well as cryptographic engineers. their equipments makes me salivate, and they have reverse engineering department so they are really capable.

is breaking through $ony's protection legal(i know psp scene has been decrypting prx and such but never got a word from $ony)? how far could they go? i read somewhere that cracking a crypto engine is a gray area. im not familiar with the laws of each country.

now where is my God of War cheats?:huh::blush:

Here's a fun drinking game. Take a drink everytime they say "state of the art" in that video

 

[stadicon]

They may have used the scenes tools but dont be mistaken in thinking what they did was easy :|

Indeed... They may used community's knowledge for the beginning, but what they did on their own should be like 70% of the job. That's why you can't really blame them, i think.

 

[WalangAlam]

They may have used the scenes tools but dont be mistaken in thinking what they did was easy :|

if they are that good then they should not borrow anything from the psp scene. but i do agree it still a difficult feat. maybe those "state of the art" equipments made the difference

 

[wololo]

Reusing existing code is actually clever. Only a few "hackers", and people who release proprietary software think differently.

 

[eldiablov]

if they are that good then they should not borrow anything from the psp scene. but i do agree it still a difficult feat.

Why shouldnt they use pre-existing information to make their job quicker and easier?

That's like builiding a table without referring to a manual intentionally... it's stupid.

 

[WalangAlam]

Why shouldnt they use pre-existing information to make their job quicker and easier?

That's like builiding a table without referring to a manual intentionally... it's stupid.

yep, i agree. i came from msdn where they freely share code. they always tell us not to reinvent the wheel. i wonder what's this psp devs stealing the work of this psp devs dramas of the past then.:huh: oh well better not mess with something i know little about then :whistle:

 

[eldiablov]

yep, i agree. i came from msdn where they freely share code. they always tell us not to reinvent the wheel. i wonder what's this psp devs stealing the work of this psp devs dramas of the past then.:huh: oh well better not mess with something i know little about then :whistle:

What Datel did this time is not stealing :bored:. Although they have stole in the past, Pandora for example.

It really does seem like you know little about it.

 

[Riorio99]

The only problem is, that if Datel borrow code from Homebrewers, then I would assume that they want to tirn a profit, so it would break the copyright on that piece of code.

I Datel released it for free or paid the coder to use it, it would al be fine.

 

[Colm]

The only problem is, that if Datel borrow code from Homebrewers, then I would assume that they want to tirn a profit, so it would break the copyright on that piece of code.

I Datel released it for free or paid the coder to use it, it would al be fine.

I don't think you get it.

Datel haven't stolen anything this time. They've used utilities that were open to developers. Yes, chances are they'll profit as a result of this data, but that'd be like saying that a program like Spotify, which runs based on open-source code, shouldn't make a profit. The utilities were there for them.

If the utilities were found on a website somewhere, that they shouldn't have access to, and released without permission by [STRIKE]freeplay[/STRIKE] Datel, that'd be a problem.

 

[TeamOverload]

Pretty impressive stuff. Not sure if it's been posted and I just missed it, but what are the limitations of the Demo version?

 

[Colm]

It's a PoC, it boots but won't load cheats.

 

[explosions]

If the utilities were found on a website somewhere, that they shouldn't have access to, and released without permission by [STRIKE]freeplay[/STRIKE] Datel, that'd be a problem.

lol. I don't see the big deal with that. Sure, it was used without permission, but it's not like he hacked into the server and stole the code.

It's a PoC, it boots but won't load cheats.

Will it load games?

 

[Davee]

oh how lame:argh: they should have used at least another "kirk decryptor engine" web page. are they taunting the psp scene? now they should pay back the psp scene by signing our homebrews wow talking about stealing of code big time, shameless. it put to shame all the psp scene dramas combined. their "cryptographics engineers" are lame then

Far from lame. They are using information and tools open to the public, they aren't stealing anything. Same with Pandora, the information was there, the sdk was there, they just choose not to acknowledge the original developers which (IMO) is pretty wrong, but definately not stealing anything.

I don't understand why a lot of the psp scene seem to think that they are owed in some way or another. They don't you need to pay you back in *ANY* way, plus what have you done to deserve to be paid back?

It's not shameless, stop trying to justify in anyway that datel owe you. They didn't steal anything, they used OPEN SOURCE and PUBLIC DOMAIN information. It's not like the other dramas where private code has been stolen and leaked.

Also, their cryptographic engineers are probably better trained than a lot of the people in the homebrew scene seeing the managed to re-engineer the crypto in the kirk.

Please stop trying to justify that anyone owes you and don't state things have been stolen when you're clearly not a developer that has been affected. Also, FYI, BenHur was credited for IntraFont within the Datel AR.